PCGP Episode 78
This week Norm and Dan interview Marc DeForest, co-designer of Savage 2. Plus the news: Army sponsored LAN event; Sims credit card; Oblivion expansion critical bug and patching console games; Blizzcon dates and entrance fee announced; Halo 2 achievements announced; playlists!
April 13th, 2007 at 12:55 am
first, suckas. plus check out our video podcast.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:05 am
Lame norm, you don’t get to be first.
1st legit >.>
Anyway, is this interview going to be a trend? I hope so. It’s always interesting. Maybe once a month would be nice? It’s nice that I can sit here listening for free making demands isn’t it.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:27 am
Norm –> http://www.break.com/index/life_of_a_first_poster.html
April 13th, 2007 at 2:08 am
There’s a video where a couple of guys finished the original Prince of Persia in 13 some odd minutes
April 13th, 2007 at 2:41 am
I wanna see the Dan vs. Norm and Gaz replay, and get a commentator, there aren’t enough commentated matches out there.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:54 am
I’m only getting about 30 minutes of it…?
EDIT: Nevermind, got it.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:05 am
About that Oblivion bug, if you are a PC Oblivion player then there is a community fix for this problem thats been out for a while.
http://files-upload.com/156969/FormIDRefer…BugFix.esp.html
Bethesda being as they are, give as good support for their games as a bum would about advice on success. Sad when they just let the community handle most of their bug problems. Hell if this bug wasn’t on the 360 I wonder if it would have ever been officially fixed. Look at the unofficial oblivion patch for an idea of what they needed to patch but just didn’t. Makes me worried for Fallout 3.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Did you guys say Stalker doesn’t work on Vista? What the hell have I been playing then? Its been working fine since I picked it up on launch day. I’m running the patched version on Vista Ultimate 64-bit with all my drivers etc updated. Besides the occasional crash and framerate drops its been just fine.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Wow, Gary Whitta really needs to stfu, I like him, I find some of his comments cynically hilarious (good things), but he went too far. I don’t know about Britain, but here, we support our men in the field, even if we don’t like the war or we are deluded by the Communist News Network, doesn’t mean we take cheapshots like that at the boys in the field.
Norm’s right though. I agree about that.
Jeremy - The Army is going to not draft people, but merely want to show themselves.
Hows this preying? They merely are sponsoring a LAN party, and of course they’re going to invest money in recruiting, because thats what they want. new recruits. And what the hell do you think the army is for in a dangerous situation? Pickin their noses?
Overall good podcast though. Props to Logan trying to be impartial.
And Marines ftW! However, if you’re scared of going into the front, join the National Guard or the Army or Marine Reserves.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Dan, are you going to use that westinghouse for your pc? Is that going to…*gasp*… replace your projector?
April 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
“And Marines ftW! However, if you’re scared of going into the front, join the National Guard or the Army or Marine Reserves.” … and enjoy your time in Iraq, because W needs more troops and that’s where they’re coming from.
April 13th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
You didn’t ask Marc DeForest any questions - were we too late?
April 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
No, no NO war debate! Everyone said that military service is a good, honorable thing, so unless someone wants to disagree with that idea there’s nothing to discuss! Actually, even if you DO want to disagree with that, please save it. Stop right now, or I will… cry or something. Seriously, please do not turn this into another flame war or so help me I’ll turn this thread around.
And yes Buddhabob, I will be using the Westinghouse for my PC. But I’ll be using it as my primary monitor, so it will just complement my projector
April 13th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
Gary - I think you’ll be disappointed in LotRO, as it’s pretty much a pale imitation of WoW. I got in the closed beta at Thanksgiving of 2006 and played for a couple months. But then stopped… and rather than go back to it for free, I went out and bought Burning Crusade, which is far more fun.
Just a few notes - although these are somewhat outdated, as I’ve been caught up in WoW trying to get the gold for my epic flying mount (and I’m only halfway there, though patch 2.1 should help a lot):
The character customization (in terms of “specs”) is ridiculously limited - you’re going to be pretty much identical to any other character of the same class. It has the same number of classes as WoW, but whereas WoW has sub-roles - Feral vs. Balance Druid, Fury vs. Prot Warriors - LotRO does not.
There are very few zones. I completed the vast majority of the content within two months. The zones are sort of like WoW, in that there are racial starting zones and then they all merge together - but there’s only one zone per race before they merge (and Men don’t have their own, IIRC). So once you get somewhere between level 10-15, all races use the exact same content, and there isn’t much of it.
I wanted to like the game, but found that most things are copied from WoW - but not QUITE as well. Quests are about the same, but not quite as interesting. Crafting is about the same, but not quite as useful. Etc.
The one thing I did like about LotRO was that there are rewards for activities - discovering world locations, using an ability X times, that sort of thing. The Traits system provides an incentive to go out and explore. I also liked the story-based “epic” quests; they’re mostly instanced, which means Turbine can use that to do a lot of… in-game cutscenes, basically. That makes the quests interesting and a lot more dramatic.
Monster play is an interesting concept, but didn’t feel like real PvP. It’s just not the same as having two or three opposing groups that players really belong to and identify with.
I almost forgot the setting! It’s in Eriador only, which is pretty much the first book of the trilogy. The Shire, Bree, Weathertop, etc. I was impressed more with things like the Party Tree, or Gaffer Gamgee, or Radagast the Brown, than with Gandalf and Strider showing up. It was pretty, but it left me wanting more - and not in the good way, but more like “there’s not enough to bother with yet”.
Tolkien fanatics will love it, I think, but anyone else is probably better served sticking with WoW for a while yet, at least until Turbine adds some more lands. If they get Gondor or Rohan in, I’ll certainly go back and check it out.
Hrm… that was quite a lot longer than I thought. It’d be interesting to hear from any LotRO fans what they think is BETTER about it than WoW, though.
April 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Marc DeForest needs to go to some salesmanship classes. Although I’m sure Savage 2 will be fun, he just didn’t do all that well at making it sound like fun. Maybe Ken Lavigne could teach those classes, as I heard him talking about Bioshock on NextGen podcast and he really sold it well… alot better than DeForest did.
April 13th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
PCG_Norman,
Once again, man - how did you get the distant shots of COH for the Strategy edition this month? I’ve searched Google’s breadth but can’t find a mod for pulling the camera out further. Did you Photoshop?
Sure would appreciate method of your madness!
April 13th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
“we are deluded by the Communist News Network”-Mac
First they were liberal, then socialist, and now communist.
GJ Mac
April 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Wow, so naive. If it weren’t for mr Stapleton’s threats and heart broken pleas, I’d e-string you on an e-wall.
April 13th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Jewels, I’m pretty sure those shots came straight from Relic.
April 13th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
power to peggle. Stupid challenges so hard. I’ve put more time into peggle oer the past few weeks than serious games. Bah what is becoming of us ‘hardcore’ gamers?
April 14th, 2007 at 12:59 am
What caused the tire blow out?
How much tread do you have on your tires?
April 14th, 2007 at 1:50 am
I love listening every time but why do people hate game movies? Its like people don’t even bother opening their mind to them. Such as on the podcast. No on likes any of the game movies, a little doesn’t count because you still don’t truly like it.
We all know theres no such thing as a good game movie. Doesn’t mean you can’t like them! When I watched Silent Hill for instance I wasn’t expecting it be like the game (knew that from the trailer). But I enjoyed it just for what it was…. a movie “based” on a game, but not exactly like it! My favorite game/movies are the Resident Evil ones. Are they like the games? Heck no, but they rock!
To me some people are to shallow to get the idea of liking something regardless of what it is suppose to be like!. BTW I am not referring to anyone in particular, just a “general” statement. At least you PC Gamer guys like “a little”, some people hate them 100% no matter what.
BTW my second most loved movie is FF: Spirits Within. I don’t even care that it has nothing to do with FF. Its just a good movie.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:40 am
“And Marines ftW! However, if you’re scared of going into the front, join the National Guard or the Army or Marine Reserves.”
Uh, aren’t there a shitload of National Guardsmen currently serving in Iraq?
April 14th, 2007 at 2:48 am
Dammit Gaz, you’re not helping!
April 14th, 2007 at 2:58 am
Sorry, I’ll try to get back on-message.
April 14th, 2007 at 3:00 am
And Assassin, we don’t hate game movies because they’re game movies - we hate them because they totally suck as movies. If any of them were worth the two hours of our lives it takes to watch, we wouldn’t complain about them… but they’re really not. I mean, did you see Doom? Didn’t you love how they didn’t actually hit anything with the BFG, and had the climactic battle of a game based on a shooter be a FIST fight? And that’s even ignoring the fact that the writing, acting, and pretty much everything else completely blew. And don’t even get me started on Tomb Raider - that one stands out as one of the single worst films I’ve ever seen in terms of plot. We’re all still waiting for the first half-decent game-based movie (I don’t really count FF:SW, since as you said it had nothing to do with FF), and we’ll be the first to cheer when/if that happens.
April 14th, 2007 at 3:08 am
Well Assassin X the problem with most game movies is that they take the characters in games where they can and put them in situations that don’t have anything to do with the game.
Take the Doom movie for example. I like the Doom movie, it was entertaining, I even bought it I liked it that much. However it didn’t capture the essence of the game. It was set on Mars, and it had the BFG 9000, and some of the creatures looked like Doom 3 Imps. All similarities to Doom end there.
The creatures in the movie aren’t demons from Hell, they’re genetic mutations from being exposed to a DNA altering substance. The whole point of the Doom games is that you’re alone in an industrial\scientific complex fighting the hordes of Hell for your life, not with an entire squad of idiotic Marines (even though I’ll give them this one because the movie probably would have been quite boring if it was just one guy alone). Those two things were the worst aspects of the movie without getting all fanboyishly nit-picky over the fine details.
When they can make a game movie that hits the necessary aspects of the game it’s trying to portray maybe we’ll finally see a game movie get some love. I have hope for the Prince of Persia movie if it ever materializes.
April 14th, 2007 at 5:25 am
I went to the savage 2 site adn downloaded a bunch of gameplay movies and theylooked really nice, some nice FPS feel to it. I have to agree though, Marc makes the game sound pretty drab the way he sells it.
And about the war . . er not going there.
Yo Stryc, hows i’t going. Thank’s for all yoru email help with the game. Still struggling but i didn’t give up yet.
April 14th, 2007 at 6:37 am
Gary , buddy old pal. Because of your biases opinion towards mmo’s I will disregard your comments of LotRO . Turbine has done a stellar job with probably one of the most restricted IP’s on the planet, something Blizzard couldn’t do when they helf the Licensing .
Character Creation : Good, Not Great
Graphics : Excellent, water rendering is best of any mmo to date. Environmental
Effects:example the swamp is clear, sun comes up swamps starts to get hazey. These type of effects are randomly generated , and the use of the weather system , Superb.
Smooth day and night transitions, first I ever seen it in a mmo.
A.I. : Pretty darn good, they are using technology far superior to any mmo to date.
Monster Play : Bottom line, MP will be the Fairest pvp to date, yes Fair, it will take skill and numbers to win, not just random noob ganking.
Lore : holy crap, the game has a freaking story, not just some random bull crap.
quest : 1600 at launch
Game play : One of the smoothest betas to ever be played , the combat is slower then most mmo’s and offer a great sense of actual fighting. The skill system is pretty nice with the ability to level individual skills to the next tier.
Sound : stellar.
LotrO will not be for everyone, it is a little light in some areas and is very pve. But to deny the awesome job Turbine has done with this IP is just bull @!#$. I hope people who review the title will review it as Lord of the Rings Online, with 0 biased.
Can’t even tell you how many people have said ” I canceled my WoW account, and preordered lotro”
April 14th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Regarding the bug in “Shivering Isles”:
As far as I know you don’t need to have been playing that 150 hours - the expansion just has to be installed 150 hours.
And that 150 hours is only appropriate if you’re playing on a low-end system - the better your system, the faster the bug will kick in, as quickly as after 30 hours has been reported.
There is an official Bethesda patch now, btw, which should also fix games that are already experiencing the bug.
April 14th, 2007 at 8:48 am
Re Stryc9:
“even though I’ll give them this one because the movie probably would have been quite boring if it was just one guy alone”
That kind of pin-points the problem with a lot of game movies - most games aren’t very well suited for film adaptation, a dumb shooter like Doom being a prime example.
Hey, let’s make a game movie, let’s pick one of the least story-driven games ever.
April 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
“Wow, so naive. If it weren’t for mr Stapleton’s threats and heart broken pleas, I’d e-string you on an e-wall.”
lol, how by telling me im a pinko and ignoring me when i respond
April 14th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Funny you should mention Prince of Persia… it’s just been announced that Michael Bay will direct, so you can kiss any hope of it being good bye-bye.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Interestingly, one of the reasons game movies so universally suck is probably because the makers ‘know’ it’s a game movie. (some variation of the Hiesenberg principle at work here)
I bet if you give ten game movie theme/story ideas to script writers and directors etc and didn’t tell them that it was a game movie, just a treatment for a movie, then at least one or two of them would be fleshed out into pretty decent movies.
the total suckyness of every single game movie i’ve seen suggests that the film makers underestimate the intelligence and especially maturity of the gamers who will make up the bulk of the audience and there fore shovel mindless crap to them.
It’s not ‘actual’ laziness on their part. It’s just that they feel the expectations for anything above purile crap is not there so they don’t reach higher.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
it won’t be good. it’ll be AWESOME.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Well, i’ll take a shitty Michael Bay film over a steaming pile of the Bole anyday.
April 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Well, maybe we’ll get lucky and Jordan Mechner will see what kind of crap it’s turning into and take away the rights to the movie before it gets turned into shit, or best case scenario Michael Bay isn’t directing and it’s just a rumor, Prince of Persia is one of my favorite games going back to the original games and to see fucked up would piss me off.
Poita: I’d be willing to be you’re right about how the filmmakers now it’s game movie so they hammer out crap because they think we’ll like it. Unfortunately they can be right, and I’ve fallen victim to it myself, like I said, I bought the Doom movie.
April 14th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Poita - I’d say that was a good theory except for the countless crap-tacular non-game-based movies that come out every year. Movie makers don’t need to think gamers are dumb to make bad movies.
April 14th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
FF: Advent Children anyone? I haven’t really played any of the games so I can’t quite comment on the game-tastic-ness of it.
April 14th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children is a decent movie. The problem is they did not even bother to try explaining any of FF7’s story, so basically you have no clue whats going on if you aren’t familiar with the game. Oh, and even if you have played the game, the story is still pretty weird. The voice-over work is mediocre at best. Its a fun movie to watch though, the fight scenes are very pretty, at least. However i wouldn’t really call it legitimate attempt at making a movie based on a game property.
It is a continuation of the game’s story in non-interactive form.
And for the record, i dont like FF7’s story, so i really didn’t care much for the movie. The fights were cool. That was it.
April 14th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
yeah Dan. I generally consider 9 out of 10 movies to have been a waste of money. I try to be understanding though cause i realise that the fact is, a good movie is a very hard thing to accomplish. So many things have to be gottern right.
A servicable movie is even becomming a rare thing these days, man am i looking forward to getting me some ‘Death Proof’.
The thing is though, the average movie gets it right at least now and again. Acording to my theory game movies have yet to get it right and how many have there been in the last twenty years, maybe twenty? 0 for 20 is pretty bad, way above the Hollywood average. QED
April 14th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
# Gary Whitta Says:
April 14th, 2007 at 2:40 am
“And Marines ftW! However, if you’re scared of going into the front, join the National Guard or the Army or Marine Reserves.”
Uh, aren’t there a shitload of National Guardsmen currently serving in Iraq?
bwelkk Says:
April 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
“And Marines ftW! However, if you’re scared of going into the front, join the National Guard or the Army or Marine Reserves.” … and enjoy your time in Iraq, because W needs more troops and that’s where they’re coming from.
Gary, you stole mah comment :’(
April 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Michael Bay? Oh Jesus God No.
April 14th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Where was the Michael Bay thing announced?
April 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2301&Itemid=99
April 14th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
When you put it that way about movie I see your point about game movies. If the chain of events continues Halo the movie will probably not be anything like the game despite what Peter Jackson says. But one can only hope.
What do you guys think of things like comic/cartoon to movie things? Blade, X-Men, Fantastic Four…etc? I think while they are never accurate some of then are really good (Ghost Rider sucks).
I can’t wait to see Transformers and am waiting for the first pictures form the new GI Joe movie.
April 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Game movies now are where comic book TV movies/shows were in the 60s and 70s. But at least they ‘tried’ to capture the feel and story of the comic even though stuff like The Hulk, Spiderman and Batman were cheesy.
I think if Peter Jackson did a game movie such as Halo then it would probably end up being the first good game movie. The sucksville trend has to break at some point.
April 15th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Yeah, every game movie has sucked so far. Doom was almost good, but they screwed up by making it PG and, like someone said above, by ending the movie with a fistfight. The FPS sequence was genius, though.
April 15th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Comic book movies have improved lately. One thing I’m sick of is all the origin stories and weird corruption of mythology like Superman Returns. They should have called that Superman Returns and Lifts Some Stuff (and stalks Lois Lane). Honestly that movie turned Superman into a creepy stalker, date-rapist, absent father. The more I think about it the more I detest that movie, especially after re-watching the 1978 Superman. That might still be the best comic book movie ever made. It’s certainly the most reverent.
April 15th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
I’m not too critical of Doom ending in a fistfight because the fistfight is done jacked up on what is the movie equivalent to a Berserk Pack from the game where you get insanely strong and can turn most weaker enemies to mush with one hit.
The only other thing I didn’t really like about Doom was how they felt the need to drop a bunch of the enemies and weapons, no Lost Souls?, Cacodemons?, Rocket Launcher?, Shotgun\Combat Shotgun?, Plasma Rifle? That movie lacked a lot of the Doom feel and pretty much just used the name.
April 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
The problem with the Doom movie was they took art assets that looked like they were from Doom 3. And then wrote their own story. Oh and the gun had the name BFG… thats about it.
The comic movies are incredibly hit or miss. The Batmans have been particularily horrid compared to the Animated Series that ran in the 90s. But i’m a big DC fan so the surge of Marvel movies doesn’t concern me much beyond Spider-Man, which i really thought made good stand-alone movies, that were fairly accurate to the comics while producing their own continuity. Spidey 3 at least looks like the fights will be worth a watch.
April 15th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
lol Micheal Bay’s highway chase/car crashing scenes are really great but I don’t know where a Lambo will fit into Prince of Persia. Or will it?!
April 16th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Didn’t you play Prince of Persia: Two Thrones!
Horse-drawn chariot racing scenes! Think of the explosions… lol.
tragically he will probably do that.
April 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Ugh, terrible tragedy on a Virginia campus. 21 dead in school shooting…
Terrible enough as it is, I just wonder how Lieberman and Hilary will link this to “Pop Culture.”
They’ll find a way, they always do.
April 16th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Rye-Punk: They’re making Sands of Time, there were no chariot races in Sands of Time, if SoT does well maybe they’ll make the others after that but I wouldn’t get too excited yet.
Dahliak7: They didn’t link the Utah mall shooting anything other than the guy that did it, he had nothing in his apartment that could be used to play video games. In this case just like any of the others it’s going to come down to what they find in the shooter’s home and then how the media overreacts to it.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
With that shooting I know there going to throw in something about him playing video games. They always do. Most likley it was a person in his 20s-30s. And when they search where he lives guess what they will find games. Violent, horrid games! :rolls eyes: I hate the media.
April 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
…technically, WE’RE media. Focus that hatred more specifically!
April 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
It’s all good, Dan. You know we love you. It’s just that EVERY SINGLE DAMN time something like this happens, the attention-hungry vultures refuse to recognize the important social issues that cause these events. They’d rather find a quick scapegoat. I’m sick of it.
April 16th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Did anyone notice someone fart in the podcast? at about 38:43, someone farts in the background. (something tells me its gaz, but im not shure…..)
April 16th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Sure didn’t take Thompson long to get his nose in it:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/virginia-tech/breaking-idiot-blames-va-shooting-on-games-252702.php
April 16th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Called it! OH SNAP, Did I call it.
Thomson you crack-whore, peddle your filthy filthy wares somewhere else.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
“but whereas WoW has sub-roles - Feral vs. Balance Druid, Fury vs. Prot Warriors - LotRO does not.”
*cough* captain *cough* theif *cough*
LOTRO is like WoW, but better graphics, better player base, better story, better pvp, and a sweet music mini-game (you can press the # keys to make sounds, and play any song you want!). also, whoever said that the naming system is bad (think it was Gaz) then they couldnt be more wrong: this prevents dwarfs running around with “little_wee_gimli_PWNED” over their name.
April 16th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
I heard it. I heard the fart! Actually I think it was someone stifling a laugh, but I like to believe it’s a fart.
April 16th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Frets on Fire proves that Guitar Hero plays just as well on a keyboard as on the GH Controller. So Dan doesn’t have to prove anything.
April 16th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
new video podcast
April 16th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Just wanted to point everyone to www.freeallegiance.org where the game that Marc DeForest mentions (Allegiance) as being an inspiration for Savage 2 is still being supported.
April 17th, 2007 at 5:48 am
The Sims 2 credit card is far from the first videogame related credit card. Back in the early 90s Sierra got into whoring itself out. They had a creditcard that you could earn points towards Sierra games. They also had a long distance phone service plan with Sprint. I also remember seeing a Laura Croft credit card at one time around the time of the first movie.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Norm no one cares about the video podcast. And Gary Disney is making Price of Persia so it will not be good.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:54 am
The Video Podcast is RAD, Jean Luc. I just finally could afford an iPod Video, and nothing kills time on a train ride like watching exclusive interviews with Developers and footage of games I really want to see!
And I’m just having a hard time imagining a Prince of Persia that I’m not going to like. Let’s just give the vote of confidence to whoever ends up making it and maybe we’ll get lucky.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
I think it’s pretty safe to say that even as we speak, Michael Bay is imagining a Prince of Persia you’re not going to like. That is, assuming you like things that don’t really, really suck.
April 17th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Better Michael Bay than Brian Singer who would turn it into the Princess of Persia and still have a male lead.
April 17th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Jean Luc: So then if Disney makes a movie it automatically sucks, is that what you’re trying to say? Have you seen Tron? That was a Disney movie and it doesn’t suck. Pirates of the Caribbean, Disney, doesn’t suck.
It doesn’t matter who directs Prince of Persia, if they move it away from story and key events that are in the game it’s going to suck, like the part where you have to fight your sand zombie father, leaving that out would make the movie less than it could be. And not using the time bending abilities of the Dagger of Time would seriously end any hope of me seeing it.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Pirates 2 did sucks though.
April 18th, 2007 at 3:24 am
Thanks robertmerritt for the subtly anti-gay rant. Nice.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:49 am
Gary: What was anti gay about robers post. All he mentined was sierra whoring themselvs out to a credit card company (which, as they are biz i personally don’t understand the use of the epithat, their job is to make money so why imply it’s a corruption of their values), but i dont see anything gay targetted in his comment.
More than game movies like Prince of Persion, i find the storys to some game’s creation more interesting. Not the block busters but stuff like Counter Strike or the original prince of persia. I love reading mag articles about them but what i’d really like to see is BBC quality, in depth documentaries about their creation, espeically the game and wider culture climeate at the time etc and the independant nature of the games conception and creation. The brief fly by jobs that the various game tv shows do on the history of a certain game doesnt cut it for me.
For example, if you look at CS and the time it came out when just about every game media pundid was saying that the age of the independant game phenom was over it was fascinating how the paradigm shifted sideways and a mod went on to totally dominate the online games scene. And just about all created in a kids bedroom.
Past music biz greats get documentary retrospectives and movies and just about any other pop culture phenom. I think great games of the past should get that respect too and get soem quality hour long documentary.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:59 am
Oh and,
about the shooting in Virginia. Even Rush Limbaugh thinks it’s silly to out and out blame games. So I hope the awful tragedy doesn’t get used for some ass polititians soapbox.
Here in Korea people are pretty nervous that all of Korea will be blamed for it. In fact, the guy was 23 years old and had lived in America since he was 11 (but i dont know why he was in the language dept after living in the USA reportedly since 1992) so i’d say he just as American as Korean. I just don’t wanna have to listen to a whole race blame thing in the media. I think the general media just love it when stuff is buzzing so they try to infuse any angle that is apparant with as much energy as possible.
Let’s just all agree that it was a terrible thing and that he was a psycho scumbag.
April 18th, 2007 at 5:56 am
Gary Whitta: Sorry. It wasn’t ment to be anti gay, just anti-signficantly altering the characters in adapations and the last Superman movie was just the most significant recent example I could think of.
April 18th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Ah i see, it was about an earlier comment.
Superman was a bit lame i agree but actually i don’t like superman cause apart from the convenient kryptonite he’s just too perfect and all mighty. So as a straigt super hero he’s a bit boring. But i have to say, as a demi god i like the idea of superman. I thought Soup returns created that kind of feeling. He had a sensitive face as well as being a hard bast and i liked his lonely but remote state of mind. The music over the scenes also hinted at supermans mythological nature rather than his vigilante/super heroics. If taken in that direction and used as a tretease on the state of humanity and freedom with Superman as less of a central figure then i think the Superman story and future movies could be something truly artistic.
April 18th, 2007 at 10:53 am
STRYC9: Pirates did suck and TRON was ok but were talking about a pretty violent video game and then Disney, a known family oriented company, to make a bloody, violent movie? Come on. And Ii was commenting about the video podcast because Norm plugs it three times and everone ignores it. I was just commenting on that. So no disrespect to any one that is my reasoning. ok. sorry if I pissed anyone off.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Picard - Pulp Fiction is a Disney film. They own Miramax
April 18th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/780/780989p1.html
April 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Good point Dan but it would have said miramax if it was miramax. I think its going to be cheesey dialogue, a stupid love story and no blood. I’m sitting this one out. I am making my difinitive point on this. done.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:49 am
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time contains hardly any blood to my recollection, after everyone but you, Farrah, and the Vizier become sand zombies they no longer bleed, when you hit them they give off puffs of sand. When you or Farrah get hit during the game there is no blood. And it’s not like Disney has dealt with death and blood in their movies before, look at the Lion King, there’s death and even some blood in that movie and it was marketed for little kids so don’t give me this crap that Disney will tone it down for the little kiddies just to save face.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:46 am
Basically any movie of this ilk can go two ways. It can be a good ‘Indy-a like’ or it can be a crap one like Tomb Raider.
I guess a third way would be to come up with a totally new way of filming such an adventure but with a name like Michael Bay attached I’m not holding my breath.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:08 am
Stryc9: OK but the second game was tremendously bloody and pools of blood on a disney movie? Snaping necks, impalements. I’m not going to see it and thats my last word on it.
April 19th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Haha Pulp Fiction is a Disney film. That is fantastic! If only they busted into a musical during the rape scene…
April 19th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Oh and Norm, I care that there is a new video podcast
April 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Thought you guys would like to know Jack Thompson was on Fox news saying games had to do with the killers massacre and violent thoughts. Moron!
BTW I care about the video podcasts to! I love those!
April 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Just wanted to thank Logan for recommending Call of Duty 2 on the pocket pc. I was also skeptical about how a shooter would work out on that platform, but it’s pretty effin sweet, I must say. Anyone with a pocket pc should definately give it a try.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Yes Warrior Within and Two Thrones are incredibly bloody and violent games, but they also don’t have to be turned into movies. I see them as optional storylines, they don’t have to happen but they could if you wanted them to. Disney doesn’t have to make Warrior Within and Two Thrones to continue the storyline and I hope they don’t, someone else could pick it up and that would be cool with me if it were well done.
April 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
cheers logan for being so eloquent when speaking about the U.S. Armed Forces, the President, the Congress, and war. well said.
April 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Okay, seriously. That Halo vs Metroid Machinima is crap. Looks like crap too. I mean, Halo’s textures aren’t that crappy. And he did reverse engineering to get the models. Some EULAs broken there, sure of it.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
http://www.duke4.net/images/news/pcgamer_july07.jpg
April 19th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Yes the PCGVP is very good and now that I have a video ipod I understand how good it is.
And I conceed to STRYC9, he makes a very valid point.
April 19th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Duke Nukem is the best.
April 19th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
ALLEGIANCE IS A BLOOD CULT
April 20th, 2007 at 12:02 am
Duke Nukem RIP