PCGP Episode 79
Jack Thompson sinks to all-time low; Greg erased by his Xbox 360; Halo 2 PC hands-on and the state of Vista gaming; q&a and playlists!
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April 20th, 2007 at 12:35 am
lol first post.
downloaded. listening……
btw, why do you guys post this so late??? editing?
April 20th, 2007 at 12:49 am
second?
dl’ing now
April 20th, 2007 at 12:59 am
3rd
April 20th, 2007 at 1:45 am
Norm: How do you commentate a C&C 3 match after it’s over this idea appeals to me.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:07 am
Nice Podcast guys! If only laughing Jack Thompson out of the courthouse would keep him away…
April 20th, 2007 at 4:22 am
Norm: A columnist? Hey, at the very least it puts you above Gary Whitta.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:00 am
Don’t fall for Rush Limbaugh’s ruse - he’s only being mild towards videogames because he doesn’t want guns to be targeted.
His argument is hardly coherent - the man equates videogames with guns. It’s ridiculous.
April 20th, 2007 at 8:13 am
8th, good talk on jack
More on violent video games!
April 20th, 2007 at 8:42 am
I, Jack Thompson, firmly believe that the recent ______(school/gang activity) shooting, was the fault of _____(Halo, Doom, GTA), not _____(insert shooter here). I hate all video games. They offer no redeeming value to society at all.
I think Jack keeps a couple of copies of this in his desk.
April 20th, 2007 at 8:51 am
It is silly to compare guns and videogames. One directly can cause death where as the other is being accused of possibly corrupting minds that can lead to using a gun to cause death. FING GUN CONTROL? This isn’t the 1800’s anymore. If you complain about wanting to own a gun to kill some animal or just for randomly shooting then you might already need help?
April 20th, 2007 at 8:59 am
Show notes probably should have a link for peggle and tasty world
April 20th, 2007 at 9:04 am
Peggle is beatable in an afternoon. After that I never touched it.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:23 am
Vista is pretty good when your school gives you a copy for free.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Ever heard of Xfire Gary?
April 20th, 2007 at 9:31 am
I have actually had the problem that Xfire PREVENTED me from playing a game when it was running. Long live the teamspeak.
April 20th, 2007 at 10:07 am
got this from shacknews
Update: According to The Steam Review, Steam itself was not accessed, but rather a Valve file server. Furthermore, the site explains that only the credit cards of Cyber Cafe subscribers were compromised. “The numbers in danger are all held by cybercafe owners, who have recurring subscriptions to their Steam games and have probably all long been informed,” the posting reads. “Consumer data are only stored in enough detail to fight mass fraud, not make purchases, and weren’t compromised anyway.”
Update 2: “There has been no security breach of Steam,” Valve director of marketing Doug Lombardi told 1UP. “The alleged hacker gained access to a third-party site that Valve uses to manage the commercial partners in its Cyber Cafe program. This Cyber Cafe billing system is not connected to Steam. We are working with law enforcement agencies on this matter, and encourage anyone with more information to e-mail us at Catch_A_Thief@valvesoftware.com.”
April 20th, 2007 at 10:12 am
I would also love to see a CnC3 match between you guys at PC Gamer. Do I have to have the game to watch it or can I watch it online or something. I need to get the damn game.
April 20th, 2007 at 10:22 am
I was in the same kind of situation Gary! Big serious guild with crazy rules and schedules. I was playing a hunter and would sit in Molten Core with auto shot on in windowed mode playing Ski Stunt or some other simple game in the background. I just ended up leaving but the next guild just kicked me out as well while I wasn’t playing for like a couple months.
April 20th, 2007 at 11:44 am
A few of you seem to be missing the point on the Limbaugh thing - he was not equating games and guns, he was talking about bans in general. Games are protected by the 1st Amendment, just as guns are protected by the 2nd, and therefore can’t be outright banned without amending the Constitution in a way that, for the first time in history, would REMOVE rights. (Although, the right to free speech doesn’t mention the right being somehow related to “a well regulated militia.”)
April 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Peggle is beatable in an afternoon. After that I never touched it.
Are we talking about the same game? Peggle Deluxe? Because I imagine if you were really dedicated you could beat the adventure in an afternoon, but the challenges are almost unbeatable. So unless you’re a Peggle Grand Master (do they exist?) you haven’t finished the game. So there.
Also for those looking for more violence & games discussion, check out this week’s Game Theory.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
HEY, totally out of topic… can somebody give me the link to that Demo that norm keeps talking about, the one that is a couple K and everyone says is so awesome.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Discussing the Jack Thompson saga is tiring and a waste of time. I loved the rest of the podcast, but the intro was horrible. Don’t give it any more attention please.
April 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
I love how Thompson sent a letter to Microsoft blaming them for Counter-Strike’s violence on the PC. That is so hilarious. I wonder if he thought to send Valve a letter, since, you know, they are the ones who made the game… Way to be, Jack!
Has he ever been interviewed on the mag? That would make for an interesting article.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
jimminyjojo: I doubt that Thompson even thought of sending Valve a letter simply because they aren’t exactly a household name in the same way that Microsoft is, unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last 10 years or so most people know who Microsoft is even if they don’t like them. Gamers are the only people who really know who Valve is and Jack Thompson would hopefully have a hard time converting us into his twisted way of thinking.
April 20th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Windows Live sounds A LOT like Xfire except you have to pay for Live
April 20th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Shizno:
It’s a tech demo, so just a little thing you can watch. That said, it’s a REALLY little thing!
Here’s a direct download link:
http://www.trackmania.org/fr-041_debris.zip
April 20th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Xfire isn’t actually integrated into the game like LfW is, though - and they’ve got plenty of extra features on there like achievements and whatnot.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
and i’m assuming the running LfW wont make some games stop running. X-fire hooks into most games through a direct-X api or some techno-jargon terms, and can seriously mess up a game. I remember when it stopped Diablo 2 from running on my PC like a year ago… stupid. (Oh and Diablo 2 is the best hack’n slash game i have, i haven’t found one with its depth, ohhh Hellgate London, will you whet my appetite?)
Oh and Silly Old, Jack if you are going to go on a Holy Crusade against video games for god’s sake at least put some time researching the games in question. I swear to god, i bet he couldn’t pick the game out of a line-up… He has that little information about gaming. He is so against this deadly foe, yet he knows absolutely nothing about them.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
How does that quote go? “We hate in others that which we see in ourselves” or something like that? Maybe J.Thompson is really a gamer at heart, but it scares him. All he ever wanted was to be invited to a LAN party…
Anyway, with the whole Vista thing:
From where I stand, the flubbed launch seems to parallel what’s been going on with Blu-Ray & HD-DVDs, namely the consumer already has a product they know (ie. DVDs = Windows XP,) and they don’t want to shell out more money for a product that, although pretty, isn’t going to be worth the investment in the short term. The jump from VHS to DVD was worth it. From DVD to a High Definition format… maybe in a couple of years. The same might be said about Vista.
Hey, who writes that blurb every month on the bottom of the last page of the mag, the one next to Gaz’s column? I love that nonsense.
April 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
the blurb doesn’t actually exist. thats the weird thing.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
RyePunk have you tried Titan Quest? It comes pretty damn close to matching the gaming goodness that was Diablo II, and the expansion pack Immortal Throne adds even more tasty features including a higher level cap and the ability to move items between your characters.
April 20th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Achievements are dumb. Unless they work like BF2/2142. A useless number is a waste. It’s just e-penis measuring.
April 20th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
long live pcg and pcgp wOOt
thanks for another podcast
April 20th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
I had Titan Quest since day 1. Its good but, Diablo 2’s polish is so utterly perfect that Titan Quest was very good, the best Diablo clone i’ve played since Diablo 2. Dungeon Siege 2 is also very good, but it gives you a party, and very few actual skills.
I dont care about maxing character levels. I never max out a lvl, i just enjoy power leveling enough to see how a build works, and then i try “re-roll” once again.
And, i dont have any money now. So i’m not in any position to buy a single thing. Even though my PC is 2 years old, and is in bad need of an upgrade.
April 21st, 2007 at 2:23 pm
just register to say “Windows Live” can kiss my ass i don’t need to pay for more crap X-fire is good enough!!! extras?? we are Pc gamers not consoles we don’t need little tokens.
this is Microsoft again trying to run everything. just say NO!!!!
Love the Podcast but please lay off the consoles talk, thanks
April 21st, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Dan:
And I think you are missing the point - Limbaugh is only “defending” games because it suits his own agenda.
He’s directly comparing the effect that videogames possibly can have (according to peoplem like Thompson) with the danger of wide availability of guns, which is a flawed argument, to say the least.
April 21st, 2007 at 4:07 pm
I have to agree that Xfire does everything I need…no Windows Live Gold membership for me.
Also, where is the Windows 2000 love? All this talk about XP and Vista…every one of the 4 PCs in my house is running W2KPro and I have never had a problem. It’s more stable than XP, has a smaller memory footprint, and the Start menu works the way it’s supposed to. Long live W2K!
April 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pm
Something that may be of intrest to some of you some research onto vido games that the BBFC
which is the organisation responsible for rating games/films in the uk
Full article can be found here
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/downloads/pub/Policy%20and%20Research/BBFC%20Video%20Games%20Report.pdf
A snippet
“Playing Video Games - BBFC Publishes Research
Video games tend to polarise opinions in a way that other entertainment media do not. People who do not play them cannot understand their attraction and that lack of understanding can lead to some games being demonised. While there is research designed to show the short term physical reactions of video games players, there is very little information about why people play video games and what impact they think playing games has on them. The BBFC today published the results of a research project involving video games players ranging from children as young as seven through to players in their early 40s; parents of young games players; games industry representatives; and games reviewers.
The research set out to gain insights into a number of issues including:
* the attractions of playing video games;
* what impact games players think playing has on them and their behaviour;
* whether the interactivity element of games alters the experience;
* what players think about the violence in some games;
* how they choose which games to play; and
* what parents think about video games.
The key findings of the research were:
* that children begin playing games at an increasingly early age, but that the overall age of games players is getting older;
* there is a sharp divide between male and female games players in their taste in games and how long they spend playing;
* female games players tend to prefer ‘strategic life simulation’ games like The Sims and puzzle games and spend less time playing than their male counterparts;
* male players favour first ‘person shooter’ and sports games and are much more likely to become deeply absorbed in the play;
* younger games players are influenced to play particular games by peer pressure and word of mouth, but negative press coverage for a game will significantly increase its take up;
* people play games to escape from every day life and to escape to a world of adventure without risk which is under the control of the gamer, unlike the real world;
* games provide a sense of achievement and are active, unlike television and films which are passive. However, games are better at developing action than building character and as such gamers tend to care less about the storyline than making progress in the game;
* gamers appear to forget they are playing games less readily than film goers forget they are watching a film because they have to participate in the game for it to proceed. They appear to non-games players to be engrossed in what they are doing, but, they are concentrating on making progress, and are unlikely to be emotionally involved;
* gamers claim that playing games is mentally stimulating and that playing develops hand eye coordination;
* violence in games, in the sense of eliminating obstacles, is built into the structure of some games and is necessary to progress through the game. It contributes to the tension because gamers are not just shooting, they are vulnerable to being shot and most gamers are concentrating on their own survival rather than the damage they are inflicting on the characters in the game. While there is an appeal in being able to be violent without being vulnerable to the consequences which similar actions in real life would create, gamers are aware that they are playing a game and that it is not real life;
* gamers are aware that violence in games is an issue and younger players find some of the violence upsetting, particularly in games rated for adults. There is also concern that in some games wickedness prevails over innocence. However, most gamers are not seriously concerned about violence in games because they think that the violence on television and in films is more upsetting and more real;
* gamers are virtually unanimous in rejecting the suggestion that video games encourage people to be violent in real life or that they have become desensitised. They see no evidence in themselves or their friends who play games that they have become more violent in real life. As one participant said: “I no more feel that I have actually scored a goal than I do that I have actually killed someone. I know it’s not real. The emphasis is on achievement.”;
* non-games playing parents are concerned about the amount of time their children, particularly boys, spend playing games and would prefer that they were outside in the fresh air. However, they are more concerned about the ‘stranger-danger’ of internet chat rooms. While the violence in games surprises them and concerns some of them, they are confident that their children are well balanced enough to not be influenced by playing violent games;
* while parents agree that there should be regulation of games some are happy to give their children adult games because they are “only games”.
David Cooke, Director of the BBFC said:
“The BBFC classified just under three hundred video games last year. Most games in the UK are classified under a pan-European voluntary system, but those with adult content are required to come to us. We take this part of our responsibilities under the Video Recordings Act very seriously. Our examiners actually play the games for up to five hours, assessing all levels of the games and considering all the key issues. Players and the parents of young players can be sure that all aspects of the game have been taken into account before reaching a classification. We require key issues to be flagged and aids such as cheat codes to be supplied to us. We take context into account, and examine works in a way which is as thorough and penetrating as anywhere in the world.
“The element of interactivity in games carries some weight when we are considering a video game. We were particularly interested to see that this research suggests that, far from having a potentially negative impact on the reaction of the player, the very fact that they have to interact with the game seems to keep them more firmly rooted in reality. People who do not play games raise concerns about their engrossing nature, assuming that players are also emotionally engrossed. This research suggests the opposite; a range of factors seems to make them less emotionally involving than film or television. The adversaries which players have to eliminate have no personality and so are not real and their destruction is therefore not real, regardless of how violent that destruction might be. This firm grasp on reality seems to extend to younger players, but this is no reason to allow them access to adult rated games, as they themselves often admit that they find the violence in games like Manhunt very upsetting. Parents should not treat video games in the same way they would board games. We will continue to examine very carefully those games which come to us, to flag any concerns we have and, if necessary, to use our statutory powers.
“There is no question that video games are an important form of entertainment for an ever increasing number of people. As the technology improves the games will become more and more realistic and it is important that games are properly rated to protect younger players from the games with adult content, which the BBFC does. This research provides some valuable insights into why people play video games and what effect they think playing has on themselves and friends. It has also highlighted parental attitudes to video games. We hope that it will provide some food for thought for the industry, and everyone who has an interest in the impact of games and we will be taking the research outcomes into account as we review our games classification policies over the coming months.” “
April 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pm
I’ve lost all interest in video games, started gaining an interest in music, yet I still listen to your podcast.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:07 pm
qrter - why he’s defending it is irrelevant. His argument is, for once, a good one.
April 22nd, 2007 at 6:34 am
- on video games and violence:
Not that I liked Dr. Phil before.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070420/tc_nm/column_pluggedin_dc_2
- on PCG issue 162
Your Silent Hunter IV review noted it’s buggy release condition, and I think it’s a growing problem that the gaming community should be up in arms about. Some developers/publishers are more than comfortable to issue games that are frankly incomplete, expecting to patch them over time into a complete game. Sometimes those patches never happen. While this sort of thing has been around for years, I think it’s getting worse.
SHIV - shipped without the ability to adjust the resolution and no FSAA. Hitting the ‘a’ key caused a CTD. this thing should never have gone out the door.
Medieval 2 - still has some major problems with gameplay, shield bug, two-handed weapon bug, etc. Sega released a fix, six months after release, and then pulled it because the patch itself was buggy.
patch support that improves a substantially working game on the other hand should be commended. Company of Heroes, SupCom, even IL2 are good examples of games that are well-supported and improved by people who obviously care about their product and their customers.
What does everybody think?
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:22 pm
It depends on the extent of the bugs. Bugs that crash a game means the game should not have been shipped. Bugs that fundamentally prevent you from playing the game ( for example Mageknight has a bug where if you use a Saitek keyboard then it thinks its a mouse and your camera spins forever, until you go and alter your gaming devices settings, they did not release a quick fix for the problem but included it in their massive patch that also addressed the massive game balancing issues that basically made the game impossibly difficult for most classes and too fucking easy for a few; the keyboard issue should have been fixed in the quick small patch, especially since the developers knew the problem and admitted it very quickly…)
However if the bug is something that many people wouldn’t even notice; like the bugs in Medieval 2… then they are less of an issue…
Company of Heroes did not really need its patches that much, the game shipped very stable, and balance was pretty good; The changes they made just refined the game’s balance to borderline obsession;
Of course more developers could be like Blizzard and just keep the game an extra year to solely balance and bug squash… but most publishers wont let a developer do that though…
April 22nd, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Nadder107,
You do not have to have the game to watch C&C BattleCasts. They are going to offer a free viewer for those that don’t own the game.
I’m not sure when it’s going to be available. I checked their web site but could find no download link.
Anyone know when it will be available or, if it is, where to get it?
April 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 pm
According to this, the Battlecast Viewer will be out in late May, and will be around 1 GB, I guess since it needs to have all the models, textures, sounds, etc…
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 am
Nice tight podcast guys. On-topic, amusing and informative. ^5
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:06 am
There are some good people working on making DX10 backwards compatible to XP, supposedly it can even work on DX9 cards. Make with the click:
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5224
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm
” Ian Says:
There are some good people working on making DX10 backwards compatible to XP, supposedly it can even work on DX9 cards. Make with the click:
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5224 ”
Why do i get the feeling that microsoft will prevent this by hook or by crook
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Jeremy i know this question has been asked and answered thousands of times. But what software do you use to make your music
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Article in the NY Times about the “upsurge” of PC Game sales so far this year.
check it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/23/technology/23gaming.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&hp
hmmm… chew on that.
April 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Thanks for the info areacode212
Wow, 1GB for the viewer. That pretty much kills it for me. Free hard drive space is at a premium for me. So that’s a no go.
Don’t understand why they can’t just export it to a .avi format and and let us just use a standard avi player.
April 23rd, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Someone could (and almost will always) upload it to youtube so we would be able to watch it anyways but I would love to watch it in the battleviewer that comes with it instead.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 pm
A very weird and coincidentaly timed character appearance on ‘The Sopranos’ this sunday with the psycho Asian American murderer kid.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:40 pm
WhisperPCG: It’s kind of hard to watch games as they happen in avi format. The viewer will let you watch matches live as well as ones that have already happened.
Poita: Coincidence my ass they and probably every other TV show is going to do it on purpose in the following weeks and months to make their own version of the tragedy it all depends on how fast they can work it into the schedule.
April 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Stryc9 - I think you should probably look at the production schedule for The Sopranos. They have them in the can for weeks, if not months before they air. South Park is the only scripted show I know of that can turn around an episode that quick. There’s no way they had VT in mind when they made it, ’cause it hadn’t happened yet.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
I’m willing to let the Sopranos slide but I’ll have a hard time buying that any other show just happened to have an episode where an Asian kid kills a large number of people planned already especially when when a large number of prime time shows do it, just have to see if the networks are smart enough to leave it alone.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
article on jack thompson in the mainstream:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/24/DDG4PPCNHL1.DTL
April 24th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Daffy, read the ‘About’ page, you moron.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
…and I was just about to leave a polite link.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Oh, don’t worry. I wasn’t being mean. Daffy and I just have a good sitcom-like relationship.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
CnC has never been about stratedgy; CnC has always been about just going in and running dudes over.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
I found it extremely difficult to run anyone over on purpose in any C&C game.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
Why does gary always try to dis republicans? In spite of all the liberals that try to regulate the game industry and ever other type of art form unless its blessed by the aclu. Stop being a bleeding heart artfag pushing the leftish agenda.
April 25th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Durran, how many times do we have to talk about how it’s the liberals who want to regulate games before we stop getting accused of this kind of thing? And guess what: the ACLU would be the first people to come to the defense of the games industry if there was some kind of ban enacted, by liberals or conservatives, because unlike certain people, they like to enforce the freedom of speech in this country. The anti-ACLU camp is something I’ll never understand… how, exactly, can the belief that the Constitutional rights of every person in America should be protected, whether you agree with them or not, be considered a bad thing? On second thought, don’t answer that.
As for the “liberals that try to regulate the game industry and every other type of art form,” you can’t seriously be suggesting that this kind of thing is limited to just one side of the political aisle, can you? Maybe you’re forgetting about the conservatives running the FCC that run around leveling “indecency” fines. And let’s try not to forget which side of the fence Jack Thompson sits on, hm? You should read the PDF of his latest lawsuit filed against Kotaku, because while he stops short of the homophobic slur you just used (which I’ll thank you to not do again on these boards), it sounds like you two have a thing or two in common.
PS: did you know you can use “Not!” jokes and call people knuckleheads in official legal documents and not be immediately disbarred for unprofessional behavior? I didn’t.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:29 am
Now I must go and read this lawsuit against Kotaku, I wasn’t going to before but now I want to see what that brainless idiot is up to.
Vagabond: Running infantry over in C&C games on purpose is easy just do a force-move and target the guy you want run over and whatever vehicle you give orders to will follow him around until he runs him over or gets killed.
April 26th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Dan,
First off the term isn’t a slur nor homophobic. It’s a term used to discribe all socially elite acdemics that have lost touch with reality and just bend to one side. In a manner in which gay is used to describe lame things. Im not taking sides Im pointing out that gary does often. I notice that you did not deny this. Don’t get me started on the ACLU they don’t stand for everyone. They only stand for the special interest now. Hey Jack Thomas is a nut. I think he probably lost alot of quarters playing asteriods or someone beat him up and took his lunch money to play video games when he was young. My main point is that it seems that gary takes every chance he can to attack one side. I think he should curb it. It brings nothing to the podcast yet it happens almost weekly. I will have you note that nowhere in my statement does it endorse republicans or conservatives and what they are doing. But I believe if your going to comment on it you need to comment on it on both sides or you become a Jack Thompson yourself.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:57 am
So just to be clear, you think that somehow using the word “gay,” or a word used to insult gay people (a fag, just so you know, is a piece of wood used to start a fire. It became associated with gay people because they used to like to burn them alive) to describe lame things is NOT a homophobic slur?
I did not deny that someone will occasionally take a shot at a right-wing politician, but I did state that we frequently criticize left-wing figures, such as Hillary Clinton, over their involvement in anti-game legislation they know isn’t going to hold up in court. Why doesn’t that count as commenting on both sides?
And please, drop me an email at DanS (at) PCGamer.com and point me to a single lawsuit the ACLU has filed that is inconsistent with their stated policy of defending Americans’ Constitutional rights, ’cause I can’t find any.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
I do know that a fag is a piece wood as well as a smoke. Depends on what part of the world your in. Also gay means happy and joyful. You seem to only want to make these words mean what you want them to. Dan I would like to say I’m sorry if I have offended you, or if your gay (sexaully) or anybody else on the staff that is homosexaul, and you feel that I was attacking homosexuals and you needed to defend them . Im sorry you have never heard the term ARTFAG(which has been in use for over a decade) or that you don’t understand its meaning. Maybe you should google it.
Champion the ACLU all you want its as corrupt as the U.N. and just as useless. It started off as a good idea has been corrupted just like many other organization. Good Ideas and than the extremist take over.
Now as for occasionally, It seems like the last couple of weeks have been this way and I do notice when you throw in the hillary clinton statment but it like gary is just waiting for the chance to say something about republicans or conservates. Just go back and listen to the last couple of weeks. Its just been something that has bothered me about the show.
April 26th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Something tells me you weren’t telling us to stop being a piece of wood, a cigarette, or joyful. And since you notice that we comment on liberals, wouldn’t we be remiss if we didn’t comment on conservatives too? I believe you said something to that effect yourself.
Still waiting on that example of the ACLU filing suit against anyone who wasn’t violating somebody’s Constitutional rights. Your unsupported gut feeling doesn’t count.
April 26th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Nope I said ARTFAG check your email maybe you can get a better understanding your the one that turned it into a homosexual thing.
To defend something doesn’t make it right. I’ll leave it at that. Maybe you should check the type of people they defend. NAZI’s, the clan, hell they defend everyone’s right to free speech unless you a conflicting point of view of what they consider free speech. And those hillary comments are only throw in after gary makes his intial attacks. Maybe you think you can offer up hillary because she isnt so popular. Do you listen to your own podcast? JUst listen to how it sounds and always the same token democrat. There are tons of other ones.
April 26th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
April 26th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Gotcha, the Constitution isn’t right. We should go around infringing the Constitutional rights of people we don’t agree with, because that wouldn’t set any kind of precedent for having our rights infringed upon when someone in power doesn’t agree with us. Brilliant foresight you’ve got there, man. Sarcasm aside, you’re saying that they only defend the free speech rights of groups they agree with, and then you say they defend neo Nazis and the Klan… so you’re saying that they’re liberal, but they agree with the Klan and the Nazis? Make up your mind, please.
And Hillary isn’t popular? What? She’s one of the two democratic front runners. And I think you need to go back and listen to the podcasts - we rip on her regularly regardless of what else is being said.
And frankly, when one of the definitions you sent me from Urban Dictionary describes an “artfag” as “fruity,” and all of the examples of usage are things like “You’re not an artfag, are you?” I think the idea you have that this is somehow not a way of calling people gay in a derogatory way is a bit naive.
April 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Oh, and other democrats we’ve complained about in the past: Joe Lieberman (when he was a democrat), Leeland Yee, and a few other random guys who sponsor state legislation against games. I forget the name of the guy who sponsored the Louisiana law that was co-authored by Jack Thompson, but he was a democrat. Basically, anyone who makes the news coming out against games.
April 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Nope. I think your niave. The ACLU would support the right of a group that would strip away the rights of people based on race and sexual prefrence and relious beliefs.Way to go aclu. Way to go. Burning flags are free speech but when people disagree with that person burning the flag is wrong. It’s your right to produce child porn but the parents have no right to protect children from it( Hint they shouldn’t have too). Its okay to take dung and put it on a virgin marry but its not okay for the place displaying it to have the exhibit removed. Free speech is on both sides. Do you want me to post the other definitions of art fag? I dont care how you took it now. You want to see it as an attack on homosexuals. That is all you will take it as.
Here is the number one definition but i guess you want to ommit that as well
n.1) an art student fully immersed in the art school culture, i.e. dressing in all-black or the trendiest rummage sale attire, listening to music only played on college radio, and referring to obscure artists or writers constantly.
So you can stop being an ARTFAG too DAN see the Above for what I mean.
And for anyone wondering about the burning alive comment dan was making earlier here is one orgin of the Wold FAG.Webster would say it is a bundle a sticks. Why
is a bundle of sticks equated with a gay man?
In the inquisition of Europe, when witches were
being burned, among those sought out for
burning were gay people. They were required to
gather the very “bundles of sticks” (the real
meaning of a faggot) with which they would be
burnt. When the faggots (sticks) were running
out, gay men were thrown on the fire to keep it
going for the witches. Faggot came to mean gay
man to force them into the closet for fear of
death. Scary, huh? Think about what you are
saying — who you are offending when say this
word, even if in jest to a friend.
April 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
This is senseless. You have your view. I have mine. I see things one way and you the other. You think your Right. I know I am. Anyway can’t wait until the next podcast. And Again sorry if you didn’t know what an ARTFAG was and that you took what i said to mean something else. I’m also sorry that my view about the ACLU will never match yours.
April 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
You’re a nigger guy aren’t you? OH LAWLS I’M SORRY SOUTH PARK CORRUPTS ME!
April 26th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
So you’re saying that we’re immersed in art school culture, dress in all black, listen to college radio, and refer to obscure writers and artists constantly? I wonder if YOU know what that word means.
April 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Anyway hopefully there will not be any attack on either side on the next podcast. No I think you probably match number 2 or 3 on the list I sent you. I just picture you at a starbucks. You probably strive to be sophicated or act as if you are sophicated and that makes you even more of an artfag. But you probably do wear all black or have worn black in the past and do listen to college bands. Do you have a friend named deiter with a pet monkey. NAdder107 I have no words for you But the ACLU supports you so keep on posting.
April 26th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Yeah, Dan, no attacks upon either side during the next podcast. Apparently, your podcast will be more appealing to the over-sensitive if you say nothing substantive at all. I guess that whole 1st Amendment thing is merely a suggestion, and it would be better if you didn’t exercise it.
“you probably do wear all black or have worn black in the past” … I like this kind of talk. Durran you should run for Congress, and see if you can bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
April 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
As long as there are no attacks on gaming by either side, politics will be totally irrelevant to gaming (as it should be).
Now, let’s see if I match up with your definitions. I suppose I do own an article of black clothing or two here and there, but all black? As in art student stereotype? Not even close. My head is far too big to wear a beret. I don’t smoke, I don’t like poetry, I don’t like coffee (and if I did, I would avoid Starbucks), and while I do enjoy the Decemberists and Radiohead I’m hardly limited to that kind of thing (though my favorite band, Cake, did recently leave their record label, so I guess I’m technically an indie fan now). I do not know any Germans with monkeys, but “monkey” IS one of my all-time favorite words. How’s that generalization working out for you so far?
April 26th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Durran reminds me of myself years ago, when all I did was listen to that filthy right wing talk radio, never listening to the other side and being angry all the time. Every one of his talking points are almost directly taken from either Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Micheal Medved, Laura Ingram….etc..etc…To not admit the right wing’s constant attempt at silencing decent is about as naive as it gets.
April 26th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Oh, I forgot Michael Savage as well…
April 26th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Isn’t Durran that dude from Brood War? Or was that Duran?
April 26th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Durran, you’re an idiot. I think you would be hard-pressed to find supporters on this thread. If you don’t like the podcast, then go somewhere else. Also, highjacking a term that has negative connotations to absorb into your own esoteric lexicon in no way lessens the amount of damage or outrage that is perceived by the general public. I refer you to Mr. Imus for further study.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Nope now your a BandFag. Buddhabob I dont need supporters. I didnt say I didnt like the podcast. What I don’t like is gary’s constant attacks on republicans and than the almost always present correction that follows. These aren’t talking points Shawn. The post between me and dan actually deviated from that because of his definition of artfag and mine and my comments about the ACLU. Jack Thompson is an idiot and in his own world and always wants to associate the attempted regulation of the game industry to republicans. That is wrong. I’m calling him on it sorry.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
couch
Why would I aim so low. Its commander and chief or nothing.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Durran, I’ve heard the PCG crew mention many times that it’s not a party line issue, as many liberals that Dan pointed out have been discussed as well. Your looking at this with biased ears.As far as Gary goes, I agree with just about everything he says, as the Republicans have been in “charge” now for quite some time before January, and in my view, are an absolute disgrace worthy of criticism. I’m no fan of the Democrats either. I’m not going to go into how fucked up our Country is, that’s for another forum. If you can’t take criticism about your own party, which hasn’t taken responsibility for anything, then you should look at a different career other than politics.
April 26th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
So I don’t have your vote. Damn. Oh. How fucked up is our country ? Is it your own life that is fucked up or have you fucked up your life and need someone to blame. Rmonty69 At hotmail.com I’ve got to hear this. By the way just lay blame where it needs to be laid.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Deflecting the argument to my personal life is a typical maneuver I would expect from a political drone such as yourself. Criticism is healthy in a democratic society, but I’m guessing according to your line of thinking, it’s an act of treason and self loathing. I can read you like a book. Keep drinking that kool aid, it tastes good, doesn’t it……
April 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Now, back to PC Gaming, which is why we are all here to begin with. I guess we can expect the next amazing installment tonight? I can’t wait to hear all that republican bashing!
April 26th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
We just recorded it. Jeremy will get it up as soon as he can, but this one might require some heavy lifting.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Thanks Dan
April 26th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
LOL! Denial! When will that be ready i usaully get it from itunes. Do you normally post it at the same time.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Ah well on to the next podcast than.
April 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Thanks for the heads up on Peggle. What a great game! It’s the first game me and my wife can play together. The only thing its missing is Night Elves and Orcs. Thanks for the great work and keep it up!